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		<title>By: joanium</title>
		<link>http://www.joanko.net/2007/10/ebay-rescue/comment-page-1#comment-1454</link>
		<dc:creator>joanium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Want to know how crazy the internet login/password situation truly is? In the past year, I have used SEVENTY (probably more) different internet-related login/password combinations. In addition to the seventy, I have deleted accounts for eight internet services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Want to know how crazy the internet login/password situation truly is? In the past year, I have used SEVENTY (probably more) different internet-related login/password combinations. In addition to the seventy, I have deleted accounts for eight internet services.</p>
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		<title>By: Beldar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beldar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Rohan&#039;s idea too!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Are there are any good one-way functions that you can calculate in your head?  I thought the ones used for real cryptographic purposes are much too difficult?  (Hence, I wonder if they are truly one-way.)  Of course, you don&#039;t need something so complicated for this purpose, and I guess it doesn&#039;t even need to be one-way.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Just for the benefit those who don&#039;t know much about password handling and hash functions: a hash (&#039;one-way&#039;) function is a mathematical operation that is easy to calculate but extremely difficult (computationally intensive) to undo.  The way a password is stored on unix computer systems is that your password is first &#039;hashed&#039; (that is, you put it through the hash function) and the &#039;hash&#039; (the result) is stored in a special file.  When you need to log in, you type in your password, the computer hashes it and compares it to the pre-stored hash.  The idea is that your actual password is never stored anywhere, so that if someone manages to see the password file they cannot do anything with it.  All good password handling should be done in this way.  Hence Rohan&#039;s comment that internet services should not even &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; your password, since they should only store its hash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Rohan&#8217;s idea too!</p>
<p>Are there are any good one-way functions that you can calculate in your head?  I thought the ones used for real cryptographic purposes are much too difficult?  (Hence, I wonder if they are truly one-way.)  Of course, you don&#8217;t need something so complicated for this purpose, and I guess it doesn&#8217;t even need to be one-way.</p>
<p>Just for the benefit those who don&#8217;t know much about password handling and hash functions: a hash (&#8216;one-way&#8217;) function is a mathematical operation that is easy to calculate but extremely difficult (computationally intensive) to undo.  The way a password is stored on unix computer systems is that your password is first &#8216;hashed&#8217; (that is, you put it through the hash function) and the &#8216;hash&#8217; (the result) is stored in a special file.  When you need to log in, you type in your password, the computer hashes it and compares it to the pre-stored hash.  The idea is that your actual password is never stored anywhere, so that if someone manages to see the password file they cannot do anything with it.  All good password handling should be done in this way.  Hence Rohan&#8217;s comment that internet services should not even <i>know</i> your password, since they should only store its hash.</p>
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		<title>By: vera</title>
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		<dc:creator>vera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a really good idea, rohan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a really good idea, rohan!</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan</title>
		<link>http://www.joanko.net/2007/10/ebay-rescue/comment-page-1#comment-1450</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My password strategy is to use a one-way function based on the name of the service.  This way you can have very strong passwords that are different for all services, but you only have to remember the function, not individual passwords.  In theory it could be very secure, but actually I use a very weak hash function because I need to be able to calculate it in my head.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Internet passwords in general are a nightmare.  Sometimes the first thing a service will do after you sign up is send you an e-mail containing your password, which is ridiculous!  They shouldn&#039;t even &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; your password, let alone send it across the world in such a way that everyone between you and them can read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My password strategy is to use a one-way function based on the name of the service.  This way you can have very strong passwords that are different for all services, but you only have to remember the function, not individual passwords.  In theory it could be very secure, but actually I use a very weak hash function because I need to be able to calculate it in my head.</p>
<p>Internet passwords in general are a nightmare.  Sometimes the first thing a service will do after you sign up is send you an e-mail containing your password, which is ridiculous!  They shouldn&#8217;t even <i>know</i> your password, let alone send it across the world in such a way that everyone between you and them can read it.</p>
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